The legend of DB Cooper lives on apparently. I have gotten quite a few responses on my previous posts DB Cooper Update and the first DB Cooper Legend.
What is it about this unsolved mystery that intrigues so many?
Well, I still have questions and I still believe that Kenneth Christiansen is not the elusive DB Cooper, despite the comments and emails from Robert Blevins and Lyle Christiansen.
First, I understand that banks (and other businesses) didn’t watch out for the ransom money for very long. Probably 6 months tops. The serial numbers that were made public was 34 pages long and several rows wide!That’s a lot of serial numbers to look for and match up. I would have given up as well. It was just too much exhausting work to match every $20 bill that came in. I understand that. So the point about the money not being found in circulation (at the time) is quite straight forward. Banks gave up looking for it.
With that being said, since computers have come along quite well since 1971, money can easily be scanned and matched against a list of serial numbers within a matter of minutes, maybe seconds nowadays. And so far, not one single $20 bill has been found in circulation in any country. Even if the banks had given up after 6 months, there were several newspapers that offered rewards for finding bills from the ransom money. And these offers were years after the actual hijacking, and were attempting to reignite the story. No one found any of the ransom money.
Second, since I think “follow the money” is the way to solve this case, let’s look at the what we do know. One reason Kenny Christiansen is a suspect for DB Cooper is the fact that he was spending money like crazy just after the hijacking. Okay, the ransom money was $200,000.
We know that $5,800 was found in 1980 by Brian Ingram on the bank of the Columbia river. So that leaves an amount of $194,200 left for Kenny to spend. We know that he bought a house in Bonney Lake, WA for $16,500 within 8 months of the skyjacking. And he loaned $5,000 to Dawn J. That leaves $172,700 left of the ransom.
(image: rctify.wordpress.com)
People who knew him said he always had money, even though he didn’t work much after the skyjacking. He only made about $6,000 a year when he worked for the airline as a purser. But his lifestyle changed after 1971. He bought a house, loaned money to friends, and supported other people that came looking for work. He only worked part time at Northwest Airlines after the skyjacking. If he lived off the ransom money, for the next 23 years until his death in 1994, that means that he lived on $7,508 a year for the next 23 years. I might could go along with that – except for the facts below:
Kenney, after he died, was found to have $186,276 in a bank account and $24,501 in a checking account. He was also found to have a stamp and coin collection valued at around $300,000. Just the bank accounts alone are more than $210,000. So where did this money come from? We know that he spent $21,500 already and supported himself and others. On a yearly personal budget of $7,508, Kenney couldn’t have supported himself, others, and blown money as previous statements have said. Nor could he have done all this and bought the stamp and coin collections. It just doesn’t add up. No way.
Okay, that’s my “follow the money” spew. But that’s not all. I have other doubts about Kenney Christiansen.
Here’s the famous picture of Kenney Christiansen looking like the description of the DB Cooper skyjacker. I’ve been told this picture was found behind another picture in an album of Kenny’s after he died. And it was developed in February 1972. And I’m told it was taken at Christmas time due to the Christmas wreath on the door.
Well, I have a wreath on my door all the time, so that doesn’t make it a Christmas wreath. You can’t tell that from this picture. And Kenny looks quite white to me, not very tan. This was just maybe 3 months after the skyjacking. And the briefcase couldn’t be THE briefcase that held the bomb. He jumped with it and wouldn’t have been able to hold on to that huge thing throughout the jump in those conditions. And it doesn’t even looked banged up. Kenny is practically bald, as you can see.
Like in my previous post, the FBI ruled out Kenny rather quickly. He didn’t match the physical descriptions of DB Cooper from eyewitnesses not only from the plane, but from witnesses on the ground. Kenny was too short, not fat enough, had blue eyes not brown, basically bald, and was white skinned not an olive complexion.
I rather think that the FBI would LOVE to solve this case. It’s the only unsolved skyjacking in history in the U.S. It wasn’t until 2007 that the FBI released some more of the evidence that they had in this case. Hmmmm. They kept some evidence secret? Yes, they did. They released the plane ticket purchased by ‘Dan Cooper’, they released the fact that 1 of the 4 parachutes DB Cooper requested was actually a dummy parachute, and that they found DNA on the tie left behind on the plane.
And DNA samples were taken from Lyle Christiansen (in 2003?) to match to the DNA the FBI had gotten from the tie tack and the tie. From what I have read in several places, the DNA was NOT a match. But Robert Blevins says that he contacted the FBI in January 2011 to get their position on Kenny being a suspect and the result of the DNA testing. He spoke with Frederick Gutt, the media liaison for the FBI Seattle office, and Blevins says he was told “that Kenny has not been eliminated as a suspect”. I can find no support of this on the FBI website. Although the FBI website hasn’t been updated since 2007.
Well well. There we have it.
Larry Carr (pictured left), the prior FBI special agent, who resurrected the DB Cooper case and asked for the public’s help, is no longer talking or writing about the case. Someone else is in charge now. And it was during Carr’s time that new evidence was released to the public. This case had a chance to be solved with Carr in charge. But since then, it’s been all circumstantial cases by several sleuths and authors. Nothing more.
But my thought is that the FBI is STILL holding some evidence that has not been released. We know that. There were over 60 fingerprints lifted from the plane. There were 8 cigarette butts left behind. We have the clip-on tie and the tie pin. There was a cocktail glass left behind (with fingerprints). We have $5,800 of ransom money found. We have eyewitnesses, sketches, and so forth. We have the plane ticket. We have the notes and letters that DB Cooper sent. We have the left over parachutes Cooper left on the plane. This case can be solved. But has the FBI dropped the ball on this investigation? Maybe.
In 2009, the FBI confirmed that the 8 cigarette butts have disappeared from evidence. Wow! They lost evidence? How stupid is that! But I bet you anything that DNA was lifted from those butts. Or it could even be a cover story for all we know. They may just want to keep that to themselves. But they have DNA, that’s for sure. And they no doubt have fingerprints from the cocktail glass Cooper drank from. They have to.
(photo of DB Cooper with age progression from Wikipedia)
And now that the FBI has confirmed that they have DNA from the clip on tie and the tie pin, they can conclusively at least rule out suspects. Even though some say that the FBI hasn’t ruled out Kenny, they (the FBI) say that Kenny Christiansen is NOT A SUSPECT and was ruled out a long time ago. Now Robert Blevins states that the FBI requested a DNA sample from Christiansen in June 2011, and two copies of his latest edition of his book “Into the Blast: The True Story of DB Cooper”. But I have reservations on this. Mainly because I have read several other articles from several years ago regarding DNA taken from Lyle Christiansen, Kenny’s brother, to match to the FBI’s DNA. Why would the FBI ask for more DNA again now? And why would they want his book? And two copies? They could just go to the store and buy it. It sounds a bit of a stretch to me.
But, I have other questions still bothering me?
There has never been any body or bones found that point to being DB Cooper. No parachutes have been found, although a couple were found, but they weren’t DB Cooper’s. And what about the briefcase? That hasn’t ever been found either. DB Cooper jumped with the briefcase. Why? If it were you, would you have jumped with the briefcase? And what about skin cells on the seat and headrest (in and around) where Cooper sat in? What about the dirt from his shoes? Did the FBI collect that? Does the FBI have DNA from the cocktail glass or cigarette butts? Are they holding that evidence back from the public? We all know the FBI, don’t we. We have to assume that they have some sort of evidence that hasn’t been released to the public. But a nagging question comes to mind – Does the FBI really want this case solved?
But as far as Kenny Christiansen is concerned, he’s not DB Cooper. Here’s what he would have to have done:
- He would have to have worn high heels to make him at least 5’10” to 6’ as described
- He would have have to worn makeup to give him that olive complexion as described (on face and hands)
- He would have to gain some weight – maybe put on several layers of clothes giving the appearance
- He would have had to worn a toupee, for he was basically bald. And toupees back then were easily recognized as toupees (and wouldn’t the toupee have blown off when he opened the stairs to jump?)
- He would have to wear brown contacts, as he had blue eyes not brown as described
- He would have had to had another “illegal” scheme going on at the same time to come into some money to buy a house, make loans, and blow money in order to have so much money at the time of his death
- He would have had to say “Oh shit! I picked the dummy parachute” while he leapt from the plane and crapped in his pants on his way down
I say, that’s way too many things that Kenny Christiansen had to change in order for him to even be considered DB Cooper. I don’t believe that Kenny Christiansen was DB Cooper. That’s my opinion.
There are other suspects, mainly William Gossett and Ted Braden, that fit the facts much better than Kenney Christiansen. The picture left is of Gossett next to DB Cooper’s sketches. Gossett looks much more like DB Cooper’s sketches than Kenneth Christiansen. Remember, Kenny wasn’t the only one with a grudge, capable, and spending freely after the skyjacking.
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GOOD NEWS: The Seattle FBI now has their own New DNA Lab in Seattle. That means they can easily and cheaply test for the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the Four Letters sent to the newspapers just following NORJAK. What they will find from the captured DNA in the glue is that it matches the DNA they already have of Sheridan Peterson (the best Cooper candidate except for his “perfect alibi” that he was in Nepal at the time). This will blow Sheridan’s alibi wide open and place him at the scene of the crime in P.O. as his note says. This is truly the “Smoking Gun” in the case and will let it be solved very quickly and finally after 41 years. We just have to get the FBI moving on this and they can use it as a drill of how well their new DNA Lab is working for future cases and at very little cost.
Bob 73′s
For the best research on Robert Blevins, google this: “Tina Mucklow CNN.” All I can say is , wow!!!
Thank you, FBI for weighing-in on Regina’s article. I think everyone at the DropZone agrees that the only real problem with the Ken Christianson story is the fraud behind it…………..RobertMBlevins.
AHMEN!!! Thank god the FBI can still sniff out frauds and abusers. The FBI just saved the taxpayers a bundle by roundfiling Blevin’s report.
Mr. Blevins, please don’t waste our time any more on your Ken Christianson theory. Regina got it right in her article. And we don’t entertain Christianson as a suspect.
Office party just finished. Excellent stuff this year and the SSA clued everyone in of the going ons. You people at DZ are nuts. The Blevins fight is a hoot and gives us full amusement in the afterhours room. Do any of you people have real lives? Addicts all. Keep going because nothing is going to change with the caliber of people at the DZ. BK rocks.
Robert Blevins, please do not use my name in the same sentence as yours. And do not ever mention my name again under your posted name, RobertMBlevins, at the DropZone. It’s very embarrassing to me when you use my name under any association with your name, Robert. And I’m dead serious.
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Don’t care much for Mr. Blevin’s charcterizations about myself or the Bureau. We watch all of these sites carefully, and this includes former handlers such as ckret. It appears obvious from this particular site that Mr. Blevins has generated a real fan base of admirers. I would suggest to him that for his own good and legal well-being, that he back-off from the Cooper case and let more stable individuals handle things. That’s all I’m going to say on the matter, unless Mr. Blevins continues on. We do know how to deal with individuals such as himself.
word has been getting around the DZ and friends that this is the best DB Cooper site on the net. Everyone cracks-up when they read about the latest adventures of Robert Blevins. Thanks for helping expose one of the biggest frauds, Regina. We’re sure Blevins visits this site often too, to check on his fan mail.
thank yous and kudos for your great website here. Blevins has been outed and the DZers have been coming here for the truth, and of course, some great chuckles over the entire Robert Blevins saga. It’s almost as if you already knew about Blevins and Christianson.
how could robert blevins be such a stupid man???
bg
Robert, can you please postpone your trip down to Phoenix until about 2018? We’re kind of busy for a few years. Maybe by then we’ll have some time for you and you will have kwitcherbitchen at how bad everyone has been to you and about your lousy life in general. We have better things to do for now Robert, but yes, we do love you. You do have the face only paerents could love……………….(not to mention your personality).
I’m researching the details of a red size 10 woman’s pump that was found below the flight path of flight 305, by the army search team, the winter of 71-72. If anyone has more details, please contact me. (some say the shoe was blue, but I think that’s a myth).
who gives a shit about the tie? The LPT is the “real” issue here. But keep on trying.
I don’t know why people are talking about nonsense rather than the real issues.
Now about the tie. Was it folded and placed on the seat or the seat back?
Why would Cooper create a scenario where such a question would exist? Part of the deception plan? I don’t think there was any standard way of doing this back in 1971, either in Mexico, Canada, the USA or Argentina.
Are there any good psychiatrists in Auburn who can make a house call?
Gayla.
Hi Guys,
Dean Carpentier & Chris Frisina here.
we’re doing an original screenplay…
“Coop”
The Truly Incredible Story Behind D.B. Cooper
& The Only Unsolved Skyjacking in History
This thing is writing itself. going to be great.
I think we have all the details covered, but give us a tweet if you can think of anything important we may have missed.
Chris wanted to call it “Cooper” …but I think “Coop” is a much better hook.
Looking for some information related to a hijacking in 1971 of a 727 from seattle to portland. Will pay whatever is appropriate, given the level of information. Contact offline, please. I’ve read everything on this page, so I’m starting with that.
thank you.
World famous author Robert Blevins here, looking at all the trees on Mt. Rainier. I’m using my binoculars today. I see a little one way out in the distance. Oooooops, sorry, that wasn’t a tree. That was my Little Penis Thingie sticking out. Sure looks big at close range with the binocs. I feel like a man today.
Cooper would have had to be crazy to survive the jump.
But Cooper was crazy, since he jumped.
So he survived.
However, the evidence doesn’t say what happened to the money, other than that kid found some when he was buying an ice cream cone.
Sadly, Farflung is right. Robert Blevins brings on all of this because he invites it. One of the reasons I left the DZ was because Blevins was doing the same thing Jo Weber had been doing for years, constantly injecting her stand alone opinions without credible evidence. After awhile it just got old. But Blevins takes it to a higher level, with even less evidence. After a while, both Blevins and Jo are like old worn-out records. Nothing new, just constant posting about their favorite suspect. Mr. Blevins deserves every filthy comment he receives. At this point I can relate to Farflung’s departure. As long as Blevins is hanging around, I won’t be coming back.
Some of this stuff is actually pretty funny about Blevins. Robert brings this all on himself, though. He antagonizes just about everybody and he loves the attention. Probably had a mom who didn’t care. As long as Blevins hangs around, things will be said. Its on other sites too.
haven’t seen this mentioned yet. But was wondering if Cooper might have been a meter reader.
More questions on the evidence.
When the little girl found the tie by Cooper’s parachute, was she carrying anything aluminum? I’m wondering if the aluminum may have transferred from some of the paint used on Barbie dolls in 1971 (aluminum alloys were used).
The attic theory sounds crazy until you think about those baseball cards that were just found.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/baseball-cards-found-ohio-attic-could-worth-3-195715952–mlb.html
A E98 Honus Wagner rated 10.
see here: http://en.wikicollecting.org/image:honus-wagner-1910-e98-baseball-card
Sixteen Ty Cobbs rated 9.
I wonder if there were any pictures of suspects in the Black Swamp Find. It makes sense..that would explain why it’s called the Black Swamp Find.
When did the FBI release the info about the baseball card Cooper gave Tina?
I like green eggs and ham, and clowns. Now I want to cry. Our greatest contributor is leaving for awhile. What will the stargate keepers do when the king leaves home? Maybe Cooper will be found afterall in someone’s attic. Think about it?
A missing daughter. A broken marriage. An empty house. Dan Cooper is a man who has lost everything but his mission. The CIA’s premiere psychic assassin, Cooper is on the verge of losing this job, too, as his government handlers reconsider the insanity of their situation and the unstable nature of Cooper’s tortured psyche. But Cooper’s assignments are more than names on papers in sealed envelopes–they’re a calling that he has no choice but to answer.
Does anyone know if there was any toilet paper in the bathroom on the plane? I’m wondering if Cooper may have brought it out and jumped with it. If so, it’s possible it could have been found on the ground? (toilet paper in tree, etc).
I was just thinking about this, and Cooper would have gotten wet from the rain that night.
Doesn’t that affect things. Has the FBI looked at this question?
he’s just interested in the truth. Doubt you’d get him involved in that hollywood play acting.
“Leverage” season 5 premieres on TNT on July 15 at 8 p.m.
It stars Timothy Hutton.
They bought the rights to “Into the Blast” and are using it for one of the episodes.
Blevins must have got a wad of cash on this one.
Timothy Hutton calls “The D.B. Cooper Job” “one of [his] favorite episodes [they've] ever done”: “That’s where the team goes back in time to try to solve the disappearance of the hijacker D.B. Cooper. And that one’s a terrific show.” He did add, “We have…some more surprises that I’m not allowed to mention.”
He said that this installment is one of the most entertaining and captivating episodes of Leverage.
http://www.examiner.com/article/leverage-season-5-timothy-hutton-talks-new-location-guest-stars-and-cons
I wonder if Hutton means Blevins is going to be on the show? Or maybe they figured out Christiansen really was DB Cooper. There is that photo that was found.
heard that robert blevins is still working on that big interview with pilot rataczak, but he’s got to first finish the 37th edition of blast so that he can put #38 on the shelves with the BIG INTERVIEW in it. shelf life of blast is only a few minutes, give or take, so shouldn’t be a problem. right robert? robert?? robert, you are working on #37, right? robert…….you will get the BIG INTERVIEW right? robert????? please robert, the interview………….please………
I thought an FBI guy said Cooper died in the jump.
If so, what’s the point of debating this?
I really think Cooper survived the jump. There are some websites that have all the facts, and didn’t someone write a book that was on the History Channel? I don’t know why people ignore facts.
Can someone summarize the clues that the FBI used to figure out who Cooper was? I’m writing a report for school.
Ok, the citizen’s sleuth team confirmed scandium was used in the aluminum alloy in the tie.
The amount of scandium being used in 1971 or before, was pretty small. It should be easy to find out where Cooper was working. Doesn’t Jerry Thomas have a scandium mine? I don’t know if there is a connection. Maybe there’s a lot of scandium mines in WA. Did Duane Weber sell scandium in Florida?
My neighbor’s wife was over the other night and one thing led to another and she was saying how she thought Jerry Thomas had said he has evidence that confirms Christiansen was part of the hijack but not the guy that jumped. She also said they’re going to make a movie. Is this true? I’m wondering because when the movie comes out I was thinking I could take her to go see it.
Looking for the exact interview quote from Tina where she said something about Cooper talking about GI Joe. Supposedly this info was released a couple years ago, along with some Playboy magazines.
I did a google search and found no mention of undue flatulence on Duane Weber’s part. I think it would have been mentioned in some of the news reports of his arrests.
Sounds like you’re just restating rumors. Do you have a source reference on Weber’s flatulence?
Did some research on the flare gun question.
In 1964, Hasbro had a GI Joe Flare Gun..picture here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gi-joe-1964-Sailor-Flare-gun-/221059571908?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_210&hash=item33782d60c4#ht_720wt_921
This was about 7 years before the hijacking.
Cooper may have collected GI Joe dolls, which may have given him the idea of using the flare gun.
Although, the flare gun was associated with the sailor dolls, so maybe this is unlikely.
But then again here are two related clues
This Search and Rescue Firefighter GI Joe looks eerily like a smokejumper
http://vintagegi.com/gi-joe-vintage/gi-joe-search-rescue-firefighter-vintage-rare-collectible-fireman-w-access/
The really odd thing, is this GI Joe survival kit, had the life raft and the flare gun, both items that Cooper apparently jumped with (see web elsewhere)
http://vintagegi.com/gi-joe-vintage/vintage-gi-joe-action-pilot-survival-life-raft-set-1964/
There’s also the knife which Cooper used to cut the parachute cords into the precise 10′-6″ lengths that were later found by Tina.
I’m putting together a DVD with all the details of the Cooper hijack for sale on ebay.
I’m having trouble with the details of the flare gun Cooper used. What I don’t understand, is if he fired it at Scott like it says in Geoffrey Gray’s book, wouldn’t the airplane be full of smoke? How could Cooper see what he was doing? Unless he fired the flare to illuminate the cabin interior?
Was this common for SOG night jumps? (firing flares inside the airplane).
I’m assuming they used special fire-retardant flares or ??
thanks.
I suspected it was true. This is how you gather EVIDENCE…by talking to people, not like that nonsense on DZ.com. I bet none of them know about this stuff. In hindsight it’s pretty obvious, which makes you wonder why people lied about it (saying they didn’t know).
Look people, America needs jobs. And we’re promoting a movie here. Lots of people will get hired. Popcorn sold. Reviews written.
Please refrain from any activity that detracts from promoting this movie.
Keith Bunin is writing the script for the project. He is also working on a script for a live-action film centering the life of Theodore Geisel (a.k.a. Dr. Seuss), which is being set up as a starring vehicle for Johnny Depp.
The director most recently made the romantic comedy Friends with Benefits, which starred Mila Kunis and Justin Timberlake.
No production details have been released for the film.
For more details, contact the producers, or ask Johnny Depp’s new girlfriend. He bought her a horse, but I think that’s not related to DB Cooper. At least there’s no evidence that links it.
Hi guys.
We used some of the funds we got from HomSec to buy an Arsec 8762 and did some scientific research on a Cooper suspect.
Results on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFYQbTvJY1E
Enjoy. Our conclusion was that we still can’t say for sure who Cooper was.
I’m getting Keith Bunin to write the script for Skyjack: The Hunt for DB Cooper.
So: Calling all wannabe Cooperphiles, Real World’ers, stand-up comics, beauty queens, ladies’ men, transvestites, skydivers, and everyone in between….Yes, you!
You want to be in a movie? Now’s your chance.
The casting call will be on youtube with submitted videos. Stay tuned for the excitement. And Cooper..you’re invited too.
Look, in 1971 the era of DNA was not upon us. So that explains things. See my upcoming movie for details. (is everyone in the world dumb, or am I one only smart one. Is that the same thing? See my next book for details on that)
I have a new lead for the FBI…Go to Arlen, Texas….Talk to Hank Hill…He has a neighbor named Dale Gribble (aka: Rusty Shackleford) paranoid; anti-government; always trying to beat the system; strikingly similar appearance; president of Arlen’s gun club. The PROFILE FITS !!
Best time to apprehend him will be when he’s in the alley, drinking beer. He won’t suspect a thing.
Send reward to; Boomhower, Arlen,Texas
I was trying to apply logic to the facts of this case.
Fact: Cooper drank an alcoholic drink.
I was wondering if maybe he had recently had gastric bypass surgery or possibly a lung removed due to cancer from smoking. Have these possibilities been researched? It would seem like an obvious thing the FBI should have investigated.
My brother-in-law showed me evidence that he was DB Cooper when I was little, about 30 years ago. He is an exact match for the description and used to jump off the garage with an umbrella when I was a kid to make us laugh. I have more evidence but want to reveal it to one of the people on citizen investigators. Is there a government phone number I can call. There seem to be a lot of weirdos on some other sites. One guy told me the DB Cooper investigation is really a govt experiment to recruit psychotics to serve as mercenaries for a CIA operation in Tunisia. Does anyone know if that’s true? I don’t have any evidence on the Tunisia issue, just DBCooper (first person evidence)
please help. It’s tough being the only one who knows who the real DB Cooper is. I’ve sworn everyone in my town to secrecy, but I know they talk about it behind my back.
I just started investigating this DB Cooper thing and finally got done reading everything on the web.
One thing I have a hard time understanding: Why did Larry Carr pick people like Robert Blevins to be on the Citizen’s Sleuth Team? Sometimes seems like the Citizen Sleuths are a bunch of drunks bumfighting. Is Larry Carr real? I was starting to think maybe he was some kind that got drummed out of the FBI and started drinking with a bunch of Cooper nuts.
I read a rumor on one blog that at the Cooper Symposium there were lots of women and free drinks. Is that true? Is there going to be another one?
This site probably has more factual information than any of the others. Thank god for men like Bob Knoss who can come along and expose idiots like Robert Blevins. And thanks to Regina for allowing a venue to expose Robert Blevins and his freak show.
George Nuttal,
author of “D.B. Cooper Exposed.”
I’m all for recognizing Regina’a work and her pleasant way. Not sure what Blevins is up to now, but my sources tell me that the pic is KC with his boyfriend on the right. KC always flew with his boyfriend. Girl in the middle is Alice Hancock and lady on the left is Tina Mucklow’s mother who also flew. KC was no pilot, just borrowed a pilot’s hat for the picture. Georger is stirring up shit. The circle thingie means nothing. Picture was taken by Duane Weber during a training exercise. Blevins, if you publish this picture for money, I’ll sue. I own the original.
Bob Knoss
Hi.
I’m a musician and my dad was DB Cooper.
Plus I know the sheriff murdered a guy by my house when I was a kid. So that’s two unsolved things I just solved in one post.
Jerry Thomas should be banned from Regina’s site for bad spelling, bad grammer, bad punctuation, and bad manners. JT is a nice guy but he should consider going to Robert Blevin’s charm school for that finishing touch. Regina is being too damned nice to all of us. She really doesn’t have to put up with all of this Cooper crap. I say we all throw up a toast to Regina for being the nicest lady on the case. Here…here.
Sorry, regina. promiss i wont do that agin. doznt knoss no that georger and jerry are relatid?
I’m not promoting my book here. It doesn’t matter because most of the sales are wholesale. You people just don’t get it. I will restrict all my comments about the Cooper case and KC (I just want the truth) to my twitter feed from now on. Some people really have problems. I was on TV and have a signed copy of a Cooper comic book.
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Hi guys…
just wanted to mention that issue #3 of the DB Cooper Comic is out. Hope everyone is enjoying it so far! Getting good reviews, which I appreciate.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=4759
Let’s dial the impersonations back a notch, folks, or some of you will have to take a forced vacation.
-world’s most boring moderator
Larry Carr shot a memo across my desk about the goings-on at this site.
I would politely request all to cease and desist.
Obviously I am not some random cat typing on a keyboard on the internet. This post has more credibility than that.
Hey all, the mine is goin graet guns today. I notised that the “Web Sleuths.com” is where all the db cooper actsion is now happinin, and not the DZ. The hole gang, georger, 377, sluggo, farflung are over at Web Sleuths. goodby to the DZ and Quade. we love him still but DZ is old newz. Jo Weber and Robert Blevins are not invited.
Jerry Thomas
This community was making a lot of progress in solving the DB Cooper case until the last 7 posts. I really miss when new evidence on DB Cooper was being presented. I think now we’ll never find him. And we just about had him, as a result of the hard work done here.
could people stop posting off topic?
if anyone wants to know anything about DB Cooper, just call me. My phone number is available to all. I am a gold miner and drive a big truck.
Found some old comics in Bob Cooper’s trash. It was odd, Iron Man #14 and #17.
Who would throw out early Iron Man? Maybe Bob’s trying to hide his comic book hobby, regardless of the personal loss. Does anyhow know if the hijacker read Iron Man comics? The early Iron Man had a different costume, so maybe people aren’t familiar enough with it to answer.
Are there any Iron Man experts that can chime in? Early issues only.
There is a guy named Bob Cooper who lives across town from me.
I’ve been driving over that at night to see what he’s up to, but nothing to report so far.
I have no idea where he gets money from but aim to find out.
Will let you guys know more, if I find something. I don’t know if he has any comic books, but I’ll look in his garbage.
Regina, could you unban Quade and let him post here. I think he was making a real contribution. Others have done much worse.
I have evidence that DB Cooper was, and still is, involved in CIA-sponsored assassinations using the brain and paranormal abilities. Cooper penetrated another world, called “The Glut” after taking something that makes him hallucinate. There, he joined up with a one-eared red teddy bear sidekick, hunting down monsters that are actually psychedelic avatars of the real-world assassination objectives.
This is what the CIA discovered. That paranormal assassinations can be done in the other-world, and have their desired side-effect in this world.
Dangerous times.
I don’t know what role Bob Knoss has in all of this.
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Hi,
this is my first post. I read a bunch of things on the web. It sounds like Robert Blevins has strong evidence that Kenneth Christiansen was DB Cooper. It’s pretty amazing how he pieced it together but no one believes him. It would be nice if he could post here and add some of his insight. I heard there are some people trying to silence him.
Robert: I know why you’re here, Robert. I know what you’ve been doing… why you hardly sleep, why you sleep alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer. You’re looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Robert. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
Robert: How to prove Kenneth is DB Cooper?
Regina: The answer is out there, Robert, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.
The web page is a little fuzzy here in my parts, but I can make it out okay. Some days it is wider than other days.
I’m not cheap, I just didn’t want to buy a piece of garbage. Blevins can’t write, to be sure, and he’s one dufus on the trail. But he’s sort of fun to read about on this forum and on the DZ. A great diversion. I know that Bob Knoss and Georger can’t stomach much of Blevins, but he gave us some chuckles with his nutty logic. So what if he’s a janitor. Makes no difference to me. Without Blevins on the DZ, I’m afraid the case might get solved, and that would be too bad. So Bob and Jerry, let’s try to get along with Old Blev. Gayla might be at her wits end living with Blev, but all of us can all turn off our computers at night and forget about Blev for a few hours. And that’s a GOOD thing.
377.
sorry to use the unauthorized channel. I seem to have locked myself inside my duffel at the safehouse. Could a member of the citizen’s sleuth group please come to let me out? The combination on the door is still as previously arranged.
Thanks,
rich (rita)
Sent from my iPhone, sorry if terse.
I read on the internet that Mills Manufacturing made the Cooper Canopy that was found in Amboy, but was asked to keep it quiet by the FBI. Does Mills Manufacturing still make parachutes?
Mr. Blevins, please do not use my name in any more of your postings at the DropZone. You do not speak for me and if you continue to use my name, I will sue you. I’ve heard that you’ve had big problems with the FBI, Bob Knoss, Georger, the Mountaineers, Mills Manufacturing, Sluggo, and a whole list of others. You need to go away for good and try mopping up your messes. You have single-handedly destroyed the DropZone with your constant whining and b.s.’ing. No one believes you anymore, and frankly, I hope that Quade soon has enough of your crap.
Marla Cooper.
I’ve not read all of this site, but I’m printing it out so I can read it during my break.
Can someone tell me who DB Cooper really was? Everything I’ve read seems to not mention it. Is Robert Blevins the guy that was DB Cooper? My neighbor hijacked a plane back in the ’70s and he had to spend some time in jail.
Below, is the best post ever at Regina’s site. When Old Blev finishes plunging and mopping up at Mills, I’ve got an old outhouse that needs renovating……………..
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Death bed statement #2:
“please, get Jo outta the room. Don’t let this secret die with her alone with me. I wanna be like the hijacker; rich and escaped from tormenting women.”
would Robert Blevins please check his file for accuracy of this statement. I’d like to know what I really said.
Hi everyone, my name is Jill and I remember Robert Blevins from high school. I lived in Enumclaw, WA and went to the same h.s. as Robert. Robert Blevins was a very strange kid in high school. He couldn’t connect with anyone and had horrible social skills. Most of us thought he was gay but I’m actually inclined to think that he was asexual. He waundered around the high school talking to himself about how he was going to grow up and become famous. Anyway I never did buy or read any of his books because Robert was caught cheating and plaguerizing other people’s work and signing his name to it. This was in high school. 40 years later and he’s still up to the same thing. I thought everyone should know this.
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I didnt’ get paid yet for my posts here. I even submitted the bill with a discount, since I’m getting a little slow in my old age, and don’t feel right charging my usual full Cooper consult fees.
Who’s disbursing funds on this web site? Don’t make me send a collection agent. I’ve done that many times. Cooper may have gotten away, but Hummersbach always gets paid.
I don’t pay people to leave comments moron. Go ahead, send a collection agent.
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been reading this stuff for years down here in Mexico. sipping Long-Island teas with Elvis and wondering if Jo will ever shut her mouth. god, I don’t miss that woman at all. seems like some mental midget named Blevins has taken over the Drop Zone site. used to be pretty interesting a few years ago when some rather studious individuals were on a pretty good course. but with Blevins now running site, its gotten pretty flat. Quade let some big mouth sucker take over his web site. and quit bashing ckret. he’a fine agent and did the best he could. better than any of you. ps. Jo help me throw a stolen packet of comics into the river at bridge of the gods in 81. Rataczak has the rest of it. (right, Bob?)
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Would you people leave me alone and quit posting phonies using my name. This is the Bureau, folks. We DO know how to trace all computer posts. Yes, I have the final act on NORJAK and it doesn’t involve idiots like Jerry Thomas. The Christianson folks are out to lunch too, especially that wacko case named Mr. Blevins. The entire DZ is full of nutcases and that’s why I left it several years ago. Don’t bother me anymore, ok? I leave all of my case files under the bed at night. The ONLY person I would trust with them is Mr. Bob Knoss. He gets it right, everytime. The rest of you are out blowing around in the wind.
Yahhhh, Larry. Welcum back. We wonderd what happind to you since CKRET left the DZ yeers ago. I was ovir at Ralph’s theother day and your name came up. Jo Weber is still that crazy old bitch who’s husbind lied to her once last time before he died. It made her crazy…all over agin. Anyway, I’m takeing my possee back up to the Cascade foothills next week. Your invited, CKRET. Ralph and me will be hunting for old DB. I think Knoss is cumming along to. Knoss noes this bizness better n anyone. Jerry.
Cooper had just enough knowledge to be dangerous (to himself)..AKA he was a loser like all you guys. I could pole vault better than anyone when I was high school. I’m surprised they didn’t make me a fed right out of high school. Now you losers, I just hang out here, to explain to you how wrong you are, and how right I am.
Did I mention I’ve got it all figured out?
Jo, you fucking liar. I never sent Bob Knoss out your way. Quick making up shit, Jo, you crazy old hag, I sent “Jerry Thomas” out your way. Ha ha ha!!!
exLEO
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Well, I think you should party like it’s 1999 then.
(*closes door, deletes feed on further comments*)
That’s right guys, while Gayla is out walking her gelding (robert blevins), I’m stepping out with a real man……….Bob Knoss. Neither of us has any intention of coming back to the ridiculous DZ. That site is for blevin’s losers. We have our own party going on.
:)
Marla.
Is there someplace on the internet where people discuss who DB Cooper is? I heard the FBI is looking for citizens to help.
Try the FBI vault website and dropzone website.
Word is that Bob Knoss, the author of many of the phony comments to this article, was recently banned from the D.B. Cooper thread at Dropzone dot com. If so, that was because the mod over at DZ saw his posts here…and decided he had quite enough of Mr Knoss.
For those of you who don’t know Mr Knoss, he’s the guy who claims that the Cooper skyjacking was a government-sponsored conspiracy to force improvements in security and airline safety. Further, that this effort was done by the FBI, the Pilots’ Union, the CIA, and with the tacit approval of President Richard Nixon.
Yeah…(*laughs*) And if you believe THAT, I have some beachfront property in Kansas you might be interested in…
Funny comment by Kent Clark. Even I can’t say that Ken Christiansen was 100% for sure D.B. Cooper…and I’m one of the two people who investigated his life.
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Without question DB Cooper was definately K . Christensen. Blevins is corre ct th
at he did survive
money was exchanged in spurious amounts in carribean. Operation Fireflight. The process organization was behind the zodiac murders that were perpetrated by three different individuals together as well as the son of sam case. Blevins is correct.
Kent Clark (cute name) you must be a superman fan or Clark Kent fan. Anyway – where is your evidence that Kenny Christiansen was DB Cooper? ANd how do you know the money was exchanged in the Carribean? And the Zodiac murders have nothing to do with DB Cooper case. Let’s be real. Even though the Son of Sam murders/attempted murders were perpetrated by more than one person (probably three), the Son of Sam case has nothing to do with the DB Cooper case either.
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This is pretty trashy stuff. Luckily I’m above all this
Yet you are the one doing all the comments that are bashing, personal attacks, bad language, and stupid stuff. Too bad you are a liar
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Not much moderation going on around here. If phony postings and disgusting comments started popping up at my Newsvine column, they would be gone in a hurry via the delete key.
This is one of the reasons why I haven’t linked this article to my website or my column. And that’s too bad, because thousands of folks a month would see it. I don’t have a problem with opposing views, but I DO have a problem with phonies. And most of the comments to this article are made by people trying to impersonate real people. And let’s face it…most are pretty dumb comments, as well. Schoolyard stuff, mostly. Nothing really intelligent.
Robert, I agree. The majority of the comments are all coming from the same 3 IP addresses. These comments are being deleted for not following comment rules and for personal attacks.
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The latest comments are actually pretty funny. First, I’ve only called the Seattle FBI one time in three years, and emailed them twice. In all three instances, they were very polite to me and answered my questions the same way.
When people go to the bother to post up ridiculous over-the-top comments, using phony names and identities, then you know you’ve done your job. You’ve hit a nerve, and they just can’t stand it. It’s also a fact that some folks really don’t want the Cooper case solved, because they live solely for the discussion of it. An actual solution is anathema to them, and that is their personal problem.
In addition, when people attack the messenger instead of the message, resorting to personal attacks and outright lies, this only shows how desperate they are to convince others they are right. But it never works. I think most intelligent people see through these tactics easily. If you are wondering about the REAL identities of the folks making those recent comments, look no further than the DB Cooper thread at Dropzone dot com. This is because each time I make a major post to that thread, you will see the same old comments appearing HERE soon afterward. The usual suspects are people like Bob Knoss (says the hijacking was a government conspiracy to improve airline safety) and perhaps Jerry Warner, aka ‘Georger’ at Dropzone.
It doesn’t really matter, though. Whomever they are, their comments speak quite clearly on their character, which is pretty much low to zero on the character rating scale. Feel free to continue with the snarky comments now. Each time you do this, our booksales go up. They might be sympathy sales, I don’t know. But I will take them anyway.
Sincerely, Robert
Mr. Himmelsbach, you are correct about Robert Blevins. We can’t stand this punk. The entire Seattle Field Office is sick of the man. He calls and e-mails us incessently about his theories and whines like a child. Call me at LEO2-SFO and we’ll chat on how to get rid of him. Some of the guys at DZ have ideas, but they’re not entirely legal (the ideas). He’s irritated everyone to the point that we need to do something. Thanks, Ralph. The squad says hello to you and thanks for being so calm.
Fred G.
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Mr. Blevins, please don’t speak for me. You are not my friend. I have no interest in your theories about DB Cooper. As for the DZ: from what I can tell, you don’t have any friends there either.
GG.
All right, ‘Geoff’. Prove your identity then. What was it I gave you the last time we spoke?
Only the REAL Geoff Gray can answer this question. I’ll give you a hint. It was something small enough to fit into your pocket. There is absolutely no doubt you would know what the item is…unless you are NOT the real Geoff Gray. You don’t have to answer. I already know you are a phony Geoff Gray from your posts. You really should not represent yourself as him, when you are not. It’s bad manners. At least man up and make your comments with your own identity.
Geoff – I can tell that you are really Bob Knoss pretending to be Geoff Gray. Please don’t pretend to be someone else to slander someone on this site. Comments should stay on the subject and not a place to whine, badger, slander, or attack others.
If this continues, comments with bad language, attacking nature, or any other indescent comments will be deleted by me.
Sincerely, Regina
Well, the previous comment attributed to ‘Geoff G’ was NOT written by author Geoffrey Gray. I’ve met Gray personally, studied his writing, and I know how he currently feels about Christiansen being a viable suspect. We are of one mind on that subject, and have discussed it before. We both believe there is a lot of evidence (including testimony from LIVING witnesses) that point to Christiansen, but neither of us can prove beyond a doubt that he WAS Cooper. If people are going to make comments, they should make them under their own identities, rather than assuming the identity of a known person. The most likely perpetrator of that previous post is someone who hangs out at the Dropzone forum. Some of the members there are known to do that…that is, make posts under the names of others who hang out there. Why they do this I haven’t a clue. This only makes their posts shallow and meaningless. My name is Robert M. Blevins, from Auburn, Washington State, USA and you can quote me on that.
And by the way…Gray is on his way to the West Coast right now to do an interview.
You guys sure have a hard-on for Robert Blevins. Look, Mr. Blevins is no rocket scientist, that’s for sure. But he’s also not the monster you guys have created. He’s just a simple man with some ambition to be known regardless of his true abilities. As for my book “Skyjack,” I’m truly sorry that I ever advanced the Ken Christianson story. It has really had a negative effect on overall sales, which have been pretty poor. I though Christianson was viable back in 2007, but now I know that he is not DB Cooper. I’ve talked with some agents and they have shown me why Christianson is out as a suspect. Mr. Blevins can advance his theory all he wants, but I’m out of here. I’m sick of the DB Cooper case and I’m going back to writing about things germain to the Village People in New York. I’m finished with the West Coast.
I’m new to the page, but my thoughts are what if all suspects are wrong? What if cooper remained on the airplane and did not jump? what if there was a perfect hiding place that a 727 tech knew about? what if cooper wanted the fbi to think he had bailed out? How thorough was the search of the plane? could cooper have hidden there for 24 hours, then exited wearing a cleaning crew set of clothes? maybe that’s what was in his bag. if he really knew about chute jumping, why did he take apart a parachute to see if it could work as a knapsack?
just sayin’
Mike,
I like your thoughts. First, the very first time I heard about this story, the first thing that popped into my mind was “He never jumped”. I too think that maybe whoever ‘Dan Cooper’ was never left the plane. One good way to get away with this one was to create the “illusion” that he actually jumped off the plane. No one saw him jump. One theory of mine is that he hid in some perfect spot until the plane landed, then once it was on the ground, he had a “crew” uniform on and mingled among the people sweeping the plane looking for DB Cooper and anything he left behind. Then he walked out with everyone else – with no one suspecting him as just coming off the plane. Or maybe, like you said, he hid for more than 24 hours before he got off the plane. It’s only one theory – with not a lot of proof behind it – except that no body was ever found, the briefcase was never found, the parachutes were never found, and nothing but $5,800 has surfaced since the skyjacking. And we know that the money hadn’t been there more than a year or so due to the rubber bands. So someone had to have put it there. It’s the only real evidence. But this case will probably never be solved. It s a great mystery though. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Cooper is laughing at us now.
thanks regina
I read that the fbi gave up trying to find the money. who reads serial numbers on $20 bills? there are zillions of them, so maybe the money got into circulation. and the cash found by the river, I thought he tossed that out to be a false lead. I tried contacting the fbi to see if this theory was ever explored but no one got back with me. I asked an avionics crew chief if he could think of a hiding place on a 727, but he got suspicous that I was up to something, even tho’ he goes to my church!! and he had never heard of d b cooper. alas
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If ‘Marla’ and ‘Brent’ are actually who they say they are, (Marla Cooper = a woman who recently claimed her Uncle LD was Cooper, and Brent Butler = a Top 1000 Reviewer at Amazon)then they have their reasons to say what they did back there. Let’s just say they have ‘issues,’ although Butler’s are FAR worse.
Both got exactly what they deserved. In Marla’s case, I did a ten question interview with her where she presents exactly ZERO evidence to support her case. I was more fair with her than she deserved. That interview is here:
http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/13/9238655-my-uncle-was-db-cooper-a-q-and-a-interview-with-oklahomas-marla-cooper
In Brent Butler’s case, he began a tirade against the original edition of Into The Blast that finally descended into name-calling and madness. He never even SAW the Revised edition, which was heavily edited with new information and many corrections. In fact, the original sold less than 50 copies before we pulled it from Amazon. You have to see the article about Mr Butler to believe it. How he became a ‘Vine Voice’ and a ‘Top 1000 Reviewer’ at Amazon, I haven’t a clue. The illustrated article about him is here:
http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/08/19/7420232-worst-amazon-reviewer-maybe-brent-butler-of-north-carolina
You two should have coffee together sometime and compare notes…(*laughs*)
Kenny christeansen is DB cooper. Trapdoor for money above kenny christeansens ceiling. That picture looks just like him and he is dark skinned, the picture is in color sherlock not black and white. Statute of limitations is up and they didnt have that stuff in the 70s man, no DNA testing then. Genius. Bravo bravo
Wow, I have a trap door in my house too. Lots of houses have trap doors in the ceilings and in attics for hiding things. That doesn’t make you DB Cooper. Kenny resembles somewhat the first rough drawing of DB Cooper – but he doesn’t look much like the second, offical, sketch of DB Cooper from the witnesses. And Kenny looks just as white as I do in the picture, and I am not dark skinned. Sorry – Kenny is still not DB “Dan” Cooper.
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go to hell, Blevins.
Somebody using the name ‘Mr Blevins’ said THIS in a previous comment:
“Wrong, wrong, wrong. Ken Christianson WAS DB Cooper. I have the proof, you assholes. Just go to my website at Newsvine.com and post. You will see that I have the best Cooper book out on the shelves. I got the goods on Cooper.
Robert Blevins.”
This is not me, of course. I actually make my ID available here. And I don’t claim to know for certain that Kenneth Peter Christiansen was D.B. Cooper. I only present the case that he might have been the guy. Any official verification on this would have to come from the Seattle FBI.
On a side note, I think the best book out there on Cooper isn’t ‘Into The Blast,’ but ‘Skyjack,’ by Geoffrey Gray.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Ken Christianson WAS DB Cooper. I have the proof, you assholes. Just go to my website at Newsvine.com and post. You will see that I have the best Cooper book out on the shelves. I got the goods on Cooper.
Robert Blevins.
As much as I’d like to believe “Dan Cooper” (dolts who keep thinking of him as “D. B. Cooper” are quite annoying) made it, he most likely didn’t – because none of the money ever surfaced. The only amount that did was brought to its location by the water – and the place where it entered the water was most likely where “Cooper” crashed and expired.
The only explanation for his making it and the money never surfacing would be that he somehow lost it, either during the jump or after. That’s why out of all the named candidates the only one that might actually have been “Cooper” was Duane Weber – much would fit about him, including the behavioral profile.
But he’s just a candidate – it’s more likely that “Cooper” is still an UNSUB.
The most laughable non-candidates are Michelin Coin Man Christiansen, Indian Uncle Cooper, the doofus who kept imagining that he was the hijacker (Gossett, I believe), and that transvestite who goes by the name of “Barbie”.
“none of the money surfaced” yet the fbi says it quit looking for the bills after a short time – they were smaller denominations, and who is going to keep tabs on all the serial numbers of $20 bills that come their way? it’s possible the money made it into circulation
Anyone who is the author of a DB Cooper book and makes so many posts defending his writings is suspect of phoney, and unbelievable work. The work should stand on its own, without defense. This guy, Robert Blevins, sounds desperate to me. He entertains a suspect who not only doesn’t fit the physical profile of the hijacker, but would have to be a complete idiot to hijack the airline for whom he worked. The Christianson story is about as believable as Marla Cooper’s story of how her uncle used his own real name (Cooper) to hijack a plane. Its all nonsense.
Mr. Blevin’s book has done VERY poorly in sales and no one pays much attention to Christianson or Blevins anymore. There are much better suspects, who look and fit the physical characteristics of the real hijacker. Gossett seems to be the best one so far, and since Mr. Cook doesn’t reveal his cards (smart lawyer), I would bet that he has the real ace up his sleeve.
‘George Brandenberg’ says in part:
‘Anyone who is the author of a DB Cooper book and makes so many posts defending his writings is suspect of phoney, and unbelievable work. The work should stand on its own, without defense. This guy, Robert Blevins, sounds desperate to me…etc’
I’ve seen your work before. Syntax and style are hard to disguise. Are you sure you aren’t the guy who is the subject of the article linked below? I think it’s quite possible. I never forget a writing style, you know. I’ve edited more than fifty books privately. (*laughs*)
Hi, Brent. That’s your REAL name, isn’t it?
http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/08/19/7420232-worst-amazon-reviewer-maybe-brent-butler-of-north-carolina
That would be YOU in the article. Your mistake is in believing you know everything and that other folks are dumb. This is a personal problem and none of my concern. You obviously picked up on my recent Amazon comment and went out searching.
You will give yourself a stroke if you continue chasing me around like this. People will talk.
George, sorry but Gossett isn’t DB Cooper either.
I just started reading “skyjack” and have had a mild interest in D B Cooper over the years. One question. the FBI did carefully check all the hiding places in the 727, didn’t they? or could Christiansen, with an intimate knowledge of this airplane, find a perfect hiding place and after a number of hours quietly slip out, very safely?? he could have dropped a small portion of cash and a parachute hoping that might be found as a clue to his get-a-way. he could have had a maintenance suit stashed in the bag and exited like he serviced the plane.
Mike, I have read many places that the FBI supposedly checked the entire plane, inside and out, for any clues. I’m not so sure about that. And if they did, they aren’t letting the public know about it. I too at one time thought that maybe DB Cooper never even jumped. But supposedly one of the flight attendants saw him leap out of the plane, right after she saw Cooper tying a rope around his waist (supposedly to tie the money bag to him). As far as your thought about dropping some cash and a parachute out for “clues”, I don’t think so. They have looked and are still looking for any parachutes and money from that fateful day. And if he did do that, anyone on the ground that would have found the parachute or money would have called the cops or the FBI. And if they found some money, they would have spent it and then gotten flagged by the banks, unless they held onto it for more than 6 months after the banks stopped looking for the serial numbers. If he had a maintenance suit stashed somewhere, where would the bag it was in? Surely it would have been found. And where would the clothes he was wearing be? They would also have been found.
I know that Kenny Christiansen was very knowledgeable about planes, and could have found a perfect hiding place. But there would be too many things he would have had to leave behind to be found.
The FBI in this case were idiots. They didn’t take dirt samples from the floor underneath his seat on the plane. They didn’t lift fibers from the seat he was sitting in. They didn’t look for fingerprints on and around the seat he was sitting in.
They only had the 8 cigarettes, the glass he drank from, 2 of the parachutes, and his tie clasp. Not much to go on, even with today’s technology.
Fascinating case isn’t it? I lean toward KC for one, physical body descriptions by witnesses are at best weak. How tall is your coworker, your neighbor you saw this morning? You probably are off at least an inch. Skin color. Come out here to Az. and see how fast you go from fair to tan or vice versa? For someone making such little money sure died with quite a bit. We’ll probably never know. Glad he left a mystery and got away. Should make a good movie…I’d go see it.
Jeff, you have some excellent points here. It’s true that eyewitness accounts are the most unreliable of all evidence. Get 10 people in a room and they all would describe the same incident 10 different ways. Sad isn’t it? But with very little physical evidence, eyewitness accounts is all we have to go on. What is compelling about the eyewitnesses is that most are all so similar. If they were all different, it would be a different story. But their descriptions basically matched, and the plane attedants were with Cooper for a couple of hours. They got to see his mannerisms, what he did, they talked to him, asked him questions, and saw him at the back of the plane before he jumped. Good eyewitnesses if you ask me. Not perfect by any means, but good witnesses.
A good movie – I would go see that too.
My thing is — you keep talking about DNA this and DNA that. “they would have skin cells” — No, they wouldn’t have. The evidence collection in 1970′s was very primitive with today’s standards. They might not have collected skin cells. Secondly, they may have used up any DNA evidence they had on inferior testing, (for example, when DNA testing first made it’s rudimentary break-throughs). Meaning, those tests would not have yielded the same information that tests today can — therefore, it doesn’t surprise me at all that they would ask family for repeated tests. Unless he completely soaked through that tie, and tie clip with sweat, it would surprise me that they had any material left over to test again.
I also disagree with your claiming that because Christiansen died with more money than D.B. made off with, that it somehow exhonerates him. To me, this makes the theory even more compelling. If theoretically, Christiansen was savvy enough to pull this off, who’s to say that he didn’t take that $175,000 and quietly invest it in other pursuits. Secondly, the coin collection he built up over the years, could have been one he started up from childhood. The value of the coins would have grown exponentially over his lifetime. For example, my mother managed to score my brother a legitimate Joe DiMaggio autographed baseball back in ’85. The value of that ball has increased exponentially from ’85 to 2011.
Thirdly, Christiansen was an experienced military parashooter. He would have been specifically trained to handle heavy gear while jettisoning from a moving plane, even at extroadinary altitude in cold weather.
As for his physical description. I don’t have a come back for that. But from a third person perspective, that is your most compelling argument for Christiansen’s NOT being D.B. I would be interested to read the eyewitness testimony. However, even that can only take you so far. It has been documented that large groups of people can often mistake physical descriptions of suspects due to stress and even simple forgetfulness. I would also be curious to see how the witnesses were interviewed. Were they separated? Did they have time to talk to each other about what they saw? In the case of the onboard witnesses, they did. Which makes me wonder if they hadn’t unwittingly skewed the details. I must say the picture you have of William Gosset is pretty compelling.
According to Geoffrey Gray’s new book, ‘Skyjack – The Hunt for D.B. Cooper,’ he cites that in reality, the witness descriptions were all over the place. Gray, as you may know, was one of the few people allowed full access to the DB Cooper files from the Seattle FBI. Check pages 90-92 for details on his comments regarding the witness descriptions.
As far as Gossett, three things come to mind. First, Gossett was in the Army at the time of the crime, yet Galen Cook (Spokane, WA attorney investigating Gossett) has never tried for a FOIA on Gossett’s duty records around the time of the crime, even though he’s been investigating Gossett for years. Also, the pictures Cook uses of Gossett for comparison to the famous sketch were taken years BEFORE the hijacking. If you see a picture of Gossett taken at his retirement ceremony at Fort Lewis, WA less than 18 months after the hijacking, he is overweight and looks little like the sketch. You can see this photo (and others of Gossett) at the Coast to Coast AM radio site if you use the right search terms. I have challenged Cook on many of these points, but he never responds. Third, even Bing Crosby looks like the sketch, and Cook has presented almost nothing linking Gossett to the crime. He has speculation by Gossett’s children and supposed testimony from a dead judge. But that’s really IT. Cook claimed that Gossett possessed a key that fit a safety-deposit box in Vancouver, Canada with the money…but no one can find either the key or the money.
His theory on Gossett depends on two Big Things that don’t make sense. First, Gossett would have to have jumped in the Portland area when the evidence shows Cooper jumped NORTH of the Columbia. Second, the Gossett theory depends on the hijacker actually going back to the Portland International Airport on the day AFTER the hijacking and catching a flight home to Utah. PROBLEM: Massive numbers of FBI agents were combing the airport that day questioning the witnesses, and by then they already had a good description of the hijacker. Every outgoing flight was being checked. It would have been not only foolish, but a sure way to prison for the hijacker.
Galen Cook has not helped his case on Gossett by giving this interview to the Utah Standard Examiner where he claimed a witness named ‘Janet’ saw Flight 305 pass over her house in Vancouver the night of the hijacking. She said she saw ‘what looked like a man’ on the airstairs tossing flares. She claimed further that she sent a letter to the Portland FBI office about it…and that two weeks later a mysterious ‘Man In Black’ showed up on her doorstep and told her to ‘Shut the F&*k up’ about the whole thing. Cook goes on to say he believes Janet and her Man in Black story, saying: ‘It would have hindered the FBI from conducting their search at that time up near Merwin Dam…’ This is downright ridiculous, not to mention the fact that the plane was flying two miles high, at night, and above heavy cloud cover. Article link at the Utah Examiner: http://www.standard.net/topics/crime/2010/05/22/db-cooper-mystery-did-witness-see-hijackers-parachute?nocache=1%2F%2F%2F%2F////
Mr. Blevins, I think I agree with you concerning the flimsy evidence that Geoff Gray has for alleging Wiliam Gossett to be DB Cooper. And I flat out don’t think that someone from the ground, at night, on a cold rainy night, can look up to see a plane flying at 10,000 feet can actually SEE a man on the stairs. Please. No way in hell. The bright lights from the plane would blind you to see anything else other than the lights. Not to mention the rain falling into your eyes. I guess she could see the passengers inside the little windows too? If Geoff Gray believes this “Janet’s” story, he is stupid.
And by the way, I haven’t read any books concerning DB Cooper. Just too many of them out there claiming to know the truth. I also don’t think the FBI even wants to solve this case. I’m not sure they even kept all the evidence from the case, or lost it all together. If they had to ask the public’s help on this, that tells you something about the FBI, right?
Marissa, thanks for your comment. Good that someone disagrees. It is a compelling case. First, since no blood was found, the only thing they could get that would have DNA in it was from skin cells and saliva from the cigarettes. Which is where they got the DNA in 1971. Since then, they have extracted DNA from the tie clasp and have a partial profile to match to suspects. This is supposedly is what is eliminating people today.
And you might be misunderstanding my thought about the money that Kenny had when he died was the ONLY if not major reason that I eliminate him. It is not. There are lots of reasons. But the money is a big one. Kenny didn’t work after the hijacking, except some part time work with the same airline. And of course he could have had the coin collection or any of the money prior to the hijacking. So he had to live on something, right? He couldn’t have been that savy with money or he wouldn’t have needed to hijack a plane to get money, if he had the money rpior to the skyjacking. And the eyewitnesses, the 3 attendants who spent time with him, all were shown photos of Kenny and all 3 of them said he wasn’t the guy. If anyone would know, I would think it would be those 3. And very true that eyewitness accounts are the weakest evidence. Eyewitnesses are largely unreliable. However, the three flight attendants spent time with him, talked to him, interacted with him, and saw his mannerisms for a several hours. Their descriptions of Cooper were so simiar, almost identical. Even though some authors want to claim that the “eyewitness descriptions” were “all over the place”, is only to make people believe their claims for their book.
As far as Kenney being a paratrooper- Yes he was. And supposedly an experianced one. Which is why so many fail to understand why DB Cooper choose the inferior, harder to control parachute as well as the dummy parachute. If Kenny was DB Cooper, who was an experienced paratrooper, he wouldn’t have picked those two parachutes to jump with. It would have been suicide.
I know that some feel that Kenny Christiansen is an excellent suspect for being DB Cooper. And some have compelling reasons for believing that Williams Gossett was DB Cooper. Or Richard McCoy. Or Duane Weber. Or whoever. Many fit the profile of DB Cooper.
Just a note – Kenny Christiansen wasn’t even a suspect on the FBI radar until 2003 when Lyle Christiansen brought his brother up as a suspect. The FBI eliminated Kenny a long time ago. But, they could always be wrong, just as I could be wrong about Kenny too. But doubt it, at least for now.
You say that D.B. jumped out WITH the briefcase. That would be stupid, as it would be torn from his hand as soon as the chute opened, with the sudden deceleration. No, he threw it out at about the same time he threw out the placard with instructions on how to open the stairway, so as to get rid of any fingerprints or evidence (he forgot about the drinking glass, and he knew you can’t get prints off of a cloth tie). That means the briefcase is most likely within a one mile radius of where the placard was found, about 13 miles east of Castle Rock, Washington. Since the jump occurred during a rainstorm, and in fairly mountainous terrain, is is highly possible that there were severe up and downdrafts associated with the storm, which means that if he opened the chute early, he may have ended up in a strong fairly long-term updraft, which could have taken him for miles off the course of the aircraft, just about freezing him to death in the bittercold temperatures. So, any investigators need to find out what the wind direction and speed was at that altitude and slightly lower (where the chute would have opened) and assume a possible landing point much farther away in that direction from the point of exit. Even airliners at that time had equipment that could determine what their ground speed and track was compared with their airspeed and magnetic heading (direction the fuselage was pointing), to give “wind aloft”. He could have been in the air for ten to fifteen minutes, or possibly longer, with a severe updraft. My theory is that McCoy, who did the later hijacking over Utah, and who was a helicopter pilot and qualified parachuter, may have been D.B’s accomplice. I am still waiting for a reply from the Seattle FBI as to what the “credible” evidence was that he was in Las Vegas the day of the hijacking. I believe that he may have instructed D.B. on how to use a parachute and even given him a few lessons, and then waited on the ground in a helicopter north of the Battleground VOR, awaiting D.B’s call by radio (D.B. could have had a “walkie-talkie” tied to him behind his back, or in the raincoat). If he had a direction finder in the helicopter, which would be tuned to D.B.’s radio channel, he could go in the direction where he landed to pick him up. If the Battleground VOR, which is what the “Victor 23″ airway is predicated on and D.B. knew they were on that airway, was equipped with “DME” (Distance Measuring Equipment) capability at that time (making it a “Vortac”, with military “TACAN” nav capability), and D.B. had a “DME” receiver, he would have been able to determine his distance from the “Vortac” to an accuracy of 1/10 of a mile. McCoy could not have done it, as someone had to fly the helicopter. D.B. probably met him in Viet Nam, where he flew helicopters, after being transferred there from Europe, which is where he saw the “Dan Cooper” comic books. When D.B. did not survive the jump, and McCoy didn’t hear from him, he became angry and frustrated by not getting his anticipated $100,000, so he later, in April, 1972, decided to “do it myself”, and ask for $500,000. There is a statement I read somewhere that claims that on the back of the tie clasp, or some other item that D.B. left, are the three-letter initials of McCoy, but I don’t know if that is true. The FBI would be able to say so or not. It would be interesting for the FBI to interview some acquainted with McCoy from his time in Viet Nam and see who he may have known who came from Europe. Another thing, if he did NOT survive the jump, as the FBI figures, they should be able to check Social Security numbers to find out who has never been reported to the SS Administration as passing away, and who also never contributed to Social Security after November, 1971. That number would only be a handfull, as the only other types besides missing persons would be independantly wealthy individuals who are still alive, or Federal Employees of the correct age range (who do not contribute to Social Security) who are still alive, but even wealthy persons and Federal Employees have to submit tax returns to the IRS. If they narrowed it down, and showed photos of the person from that general time to the still-alive flight attendants, they would be able to say “that’s the guy”.
I think the fascination with DB Cooper is the idea that somebody actually got away with something. Thats just my take on it. How often does the criminal win!! I think we all have a little criminal in us as how many times have thoughts of getting away with something crossed our minds? Mysteries are fascinating things!
@Regina: Have you read Geoffrey Gray’s new book, ‘Skyjack – The Hunt for D.B. Cooper’? It was actually Gray who first suggested Ken Christiansen as a possible suspect. You can find his original 2007 article about it by Googling on: ‘Christiansen New York Magazine DB Cooper’.
I have to disagree with the poster who said you were being ‘schooled’. That was a bit harsh. You are not the only one who isn’t convinced KC was the hijacker. Even I can’t say for sure that he was, but some of my assessment on KC comes from the behavior of some of the witnesses, and what they did during interviews. Also, Bernie Geestman’s lies and what he did with History Channel. He actually told them he thought KC could be the guy…but he had no idea that his good friend Helen Jones (and her daughter, who also was interviewed) confirmed that he and Christiansen were together the week of the hijacking…when they were SUPPOSED to be at her place for Thanksgiving. I found this out from Jones on the actual day he was being filmed. I’ve always said it’s too bad the Seattle FBI doesn’t bring in Jones and Geestman and question them in separate rooms. The first question for Geestman would be: “Why did you say on History Channel you thought Kenny Christiansen was D.B. Cooper?”
Robert, thanks for not agreeing with the post about me being “schooled”. I am not being schooled! Anway, I have not read Gray’s book “Skyjacl-The Hunt for DB Cooper. I did find that originally Geoff Gray believed that Kenny was DB Cooper, but somewhere, at some point, backed away from that thought. Maybe he has changed his mind. Who knows with this mystery. I actually read the article from 2007. I do believe that Kenny Christensen is a great suspect for being DB Cooper. But he’s not the only one. So I, among others, are still not convinced that Kenney was Dan Cooper. The statements made by Bernie on the History channel, which I watched several times, seems to point to him knowing, or possibly being involved with the hijacking. Which is a real possibility – it’s not out of the realm of being true. But it could also be that Bernie just wants us to think he knows something as well – when in fact he knows nothing about it at all. Bernie also stated that he didn’t know Kenny that well, yet conclusive evidence shows otherwise. So is Bernie covering up, pretending to know something, or just in the dark as the rest of us. But I do agree, my question would also be “Why did you say, and what makes you believe, that Kenny was DB Cooper, as you stated on the History Channel episode?” Thanks for the comment.
Regina, your are getting schooled! lol!
Chris, that’s pretty lame. I am not getting schooled. And neither is anyone else.
The book on Christiansen, ‘Into The Blast,’ was released in two editions. A rather incomplete original edition, and the Revised, which was released after witness Helen Jones came forward and the History Channel got involved. I cannot say with absolute certainty that Christiansen and Cooper were one and the same. However, Helen Jones of Sumner, Washington placed Kenny and the alleged accomplice together (and missing for days) over the week of the hijacking. They were supposed to be attending Thanksgiving dinner at the Jones’ house, as they had the previous year. The true name of the alleged accomplice was revealed by the History Channel show ‘Brad Meltzer’s Decoded’ – Bernie Geestman of Port Angeles, WA.
History Channel execs contacted Mr Geestman in July 2010 and asked him to appear on the program. He told them he hardly knew Kenny and thought he was a dishwasher. He then called his sister, ‘Dawn J’ (of Fox Island, WA) and asked her to retract her interview for the book. She refused. When History Channel discovered what he was doing, they countered this by presenting him with pictures showing he and Kenny together over a twenty-year period, including pictures of Geestman’s own wedding, where Kenny is in atttendance. He then agreed to appear. On the show, Geestman called the book a work of fiction, but strangely…said he believed Kenny was the hijacker. You can view the entire video (without commercials) at the Adventure Books of Seattle website. One note: It is difficult to present the entire case on Kenny in a few comments. For those of who reading this who live in the Northwest USA, I will be in Ariel, WA at the Ariel General Store and Tavern for the annual DB Cooper celebration. It is held on the Saturday after Thanksgiving Thursday, this year on November 26th and runs from noon to midnight. My only interest in the Cooper case is the truth, even if further investigation by the FBI somehow proves Kenny was NOT the hijacker. The materials requested by the agents in the Boston office have been forwarded to the Seattle office. Thank you. Robert Blevins
Rather than going into detailed explanations regarding how Ken Christiansen came to be a suspect, it might be better to see the following article (with pictures) at Newsvine/MSNBC:
The title is, ‘The 25 Best Reasons We Believe Ken Christiansen was Skyjacker D.B. Cooper’ :
http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/08/04/7257905-the-25-best-reasons-kenny-christiansen-could-be-skyjacker-db-cooper
Sincerely, Robert M. Blevins
“He would have to gain some weight – maybe put on several layers of clothes giving the appearance”
It was a cold, wet night. Layers would be exactly what someone would wear if jumping out in that weather.
So the guy dies, $250,000 is found in his bank account, and you are like “omg there is no way it does not add up that is too much money!”
Like you said yourself, where the hell did all that money come from? The fact that he had TOO MUCH money in his bank account is a non-issue, if not evidence of his guilt. A person makes money over the course of their lifetime. It happens. How are you not questioning where his 300,000 dollar coin collection came from? THAT is what does not add up.
You say that briefcase could not have held the bomb? Well, yes, yes it could have, but that is another issue entirely. THERE WAS NO BOMB TO BEGIN WITH. It was a clever ruse, nothing more. Blowing yourself up on an airplane accomplishes nothing but innocent deaths. And we know all about that sort of thing here in the States. Whatever vessel that held the money was TIED ONTO HIM, ARM STRENGTH IS IRRELEVANT.
Your “leaving the Christmas wreath up all year long” thing is barely worth a mention. Citing that as evidence for his innocence is laughable. And the photo is time stamped. Wreaths do often stay up throughout winter.
Are you calling Mr. Blevins a liar? I cannot believe you expected to find anything on the FBI website, support or otherwise, that is retarded. You are retarded.
I think you are interested in this conspiracy big foot type stuff, but unfortunately not nearly intelligent enough to solve them, let alone rule out a suspect.
This was by far the most idiotic reasoning I have seen in the long time. Do everyone a favor and delete this page that will probably mislead idiots like yourself using ULTRA SUPER flawed logic.
lol no doubt eh , he has a ton of money and was only making 6000$ a year working for the arline. Of course it was Kenny!!
Well, I do have a few comments. First, your Christmas picture of Kenny is squashed down and over-exposed. Other pictures we have of KC show him well-tanned.
In the composite three-face image you offer, the center picture is not official. That was photoshopped by Galen Cook.
The time stamp on the front of the Christmas photo of KC says: Feb 72. You can say that the wreath was left on the door all year, but that argument is not very strong.
The witness descriptions and the sketch are what they are: A best guess based on the eyewitness accounts. And eyewitness descriptions can be nortoriously unreliable. Everyone who saw the hijacker, with the exception of the ticket agent Williams, saw him in the confines of an airliner cabin, which could make it tricky to judge someone’s true height. It is much easier to do this out in the open, like say when you see someone on the street. Skipp Porteous and I believe the sketch is not bad, but it should not be taken as gospel. If you’ve ever seen a suspect sketch, and then later they catch the guy, often he barely resembles the police sketch.
It wasn’t the Seattle FBI who asked for another DNA sample and two copies of the book. That is my fault, though. I should have clarified that. It was two agents who have worked with Skipp Porteous previously. They are currently out of the Boston office.
Kenny’s letters home mention his layovers in Japan and the Phillipines, where he mentions getting tanned ‘brown as a potato chip’. Other pictures we have of him, especially ones taken with the alleged accomplice, show him well-tanned.
Both Kenny’s brother Lyle and the sister of the alleged accomplice, ‘Dawn J,’ testified that Kenny owned a toupee. Dawn says he never wore it again after the date of the hijacking. An article from the Bremerton Sun from 1972 (I have a copy of this article, which I purchased from the LA Times archives) says that the FBI suspected Cooper was bald, and they spent some time investigating wig shops in the Bremerton area. When they came up empty, they stopped pursuing that lead. Maybe they shouldn’t have.
The money that Kenny had in the bank when he died was probably NOT from the hijacking. It’s known that he made several land purchases within two years of the crime and then later sold off the trees for quite a bit of money. Some of these purchases were arranged with the help of the alleged accomplice’s wife.
The house that Kenny purchased for cash in Bonney Lake wasn’t just bought from ANYBODY. He bought it from Joe and Ann Grimes…friends of the alleged accomplice. Three months later, they sold him the adjoining lot…for a mere ten dollars. We have the actual deed on both transactions.
The Money: The Treasury Department has said they made an effort to watch for the bills, but gave it up at about the same time as the banks did. Once that happened, there was little chance of ever seeing it again. When bills finally get worn out, they end up at Treasury, mostly sent there by banks and businesses for replacement. Treasury does NOT check to see if these bills are stolen. They merely verify the submitted currency is genuine and then shred them before issuing a check. The only reason the money found in Vancouver in 1980 was ID’s as Cooper’s was because the family called the police. Had they said it was theirs, and turned it into their bank for replacement, it’s very likely no one would have made the connection, due to Treasury policies. (mentioned above)
@Mr Blevins, After seeing the Decoded program on the History Channel I am thoroughly convinced that Kenny Christiansen is the culprit in question. I also think that Bernie most likely was an accomplice despite the investigators opinions on the show about him. The points made on this website at the top of this webpage are quite weak in my opinion. About the money; if Kenny had 186,000 when he died, that cannot be used to mathematically figure anything. We don’t know what kind of investments he made with that money. He most assuredly collected interest on it over the years. He could have turned that money into four or five hundred thousand dollars over the years. His net worth could have gotten down to one hundred thousand and then back up again. Who knows? We don’t. So I don’t believe the “follow the money” approach is going to get far in this case except for the fact that Kenny had a lot of money suddenly after the time of the highjacking not before. As far as the idea about DB Cooper’s description and Kenny’s description not adding up; I think they add up quite well. Kenny used to wear a hair piece, but did not after the time of the highjacking. Also eyewitness accounts are the most unreliable pieces of evidence time after time throughout history and case studies in law. Just look at what eyewitness accounts did to the JFK assassination case. It caused horrible speculation and also caused the American public to despise the government and believe in extremely wild and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories for years.
Sadly you are not Robert and should be ashamed of yourself for making such a slanderous and vile comment. Then your posts should be deleted and your IP banned from this web sight, again.